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Re: Accounting Roadmap V9

by
Ferdinand Gassauer
- 10/10/2014 13:05:39
On 2014-10-10 19:01, Fabien Pinckaers wrote:
> > I think in accounting (pure accouting) a partent account IS a parent
> > account that's it.
>
> In pure accounting, accountants used to work in views like this:
>
> http://powertoolssoftware.com/images/QB10-CompletedContractsP&L1col-AfterJE.gif
>
> or this:
>
> http://www.cloudaccountingcomparison.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Xero-Profit-Loss-e1329812505292.png
>
> Not in tree views of the CoA.
>
> IMHO the default way to check your financial status should be through
> the P&L or BS, not the CoA. Currently in Odoo, everyone uses the CoA
> because it's the only way to have balances on the screen. But this is
> not the habit of "non odoo" accountants.
the ONLY  way is to use community modules like
http://www.camptocamp.com/actualite/new-webkit-financial-reports-for-openerp/
https://www.odoo.com/apps/7.0/account_financial_report_webkit/



>
> > In some countries you have even a close relation between the code and
> > the parent child relation, you actual datamodel achieve such need
> > __perfect__.
> >
> > Why do you need remove it from the account itself and move to reports?
> >
> > If you are so sure of this is the correct path... without develop it
> > yet, can you explain how will be the new approach?
> >
> > As I understand from SQL pov you will change:
>
> No, we can use the Type field on accounts to create hierarchies or
> define reports.
>
> > Please dont try to convince us that the "usability " needs change the
> > data model, with actual data model you can achieve perfect views and
> > improve a lot the usabilitiy.
>
> Usability is about what the accountant expect to see. An accountant
> usually work in P&L or BS or other reports. Not in a tree view of accounts.
>
> > Today: 1 method compute all the balance in the CoA.
> > Tomorrow?.
>
> Today: the balance grouped according to parents:
>    - Class 1, Class 2, Account 12___, 13___, ...
>
> Tomorrow, the balance grouped according to accountant expectations:
>    - Income,
>    - Expenses,
>    - Gross Profit,
>    - Net Profit, ...
>
> Note that I am note against hierarchies. It's ok for me to keep a parent
> relationship
>
> I just think that accountant will work in the P&L or the BS instead of
> the Chart of Accounts. So, the CoA is not useful anymore (and we still
> have the Type field for the general ledger)
>
> The default way to check your income and navigate through accounts
> should be through the P&L, not the CoA.
>
> It's ok for me to keep hierarchies but I am against having *mandatory*
> hierarchies. I find these constraints not good:
> - having a root node to define a chart of account (not logic for
>    everyone)
> - using hierarchies to structure reports (should be defined by type
>    field)
> - I have seen so much time an accountant on Odoo creating an account at
>    the root level because they did not understood the Parent/Children
>    concept. (which is an Odoo concept, not an accounting one) It has to
>    work even without hierarchies.
>
>
>
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> Fabien Pinckaers
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>
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Ferdinand Gassauer