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Re: Accounting Roadmap V9

by Wipawii <wipawiij@ecosoft.co.th> - 10/09/2014 20:06:04

Hello Fabien and everyone,

First of all Thanks for listening our comment and giving clearer roadmap.

It would be great if we IMPROVE structure of CoA to reach standard of Accounting concept.

We understand Odoo aim not only be ERP, need to be simple and fast but Reporting (both statutory and internal management reports) is the output or expectation of our clients. If Odoo can support nice such reports, it will make us able to kill SAP!!

Cheers,

Lek

www.ecosoft.co.th

Sent from my Android

On Oct 10, 2014 4:17 AM, "Fabien Pinckaers" <fp@openerp.com> wrote:
And about the direction: as usual, we want the power and advanced
features of highly advanced software/ERP but we want to make them
super simple. From our experience, it's not incompatible. You just
have to think out-of-the-box to find the perfect solution that allows
features while being super easy and fast to use.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Fabien Pinckaers <fp@openerp.com> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> You may have misunderstood the "remove hierarchy" technical spec.
> I completed the "Reporting" section to make it more clear on our goal
> to improve the 'structured' CoA.
>
> Fabien
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Fabien Pinckaers <fp@openerp.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> A few notes:
>>   - the accounting spec is in draft. A lot of things will probably
>> change after the meeting of next week.
>>   - we did it quite quickly so it's not complete enough: a lot will
>> evolve over the next weeks
>>   - My feeling is that it's only 20% of the spec. (especially, all the
>> usability stuff have not been analysed yet. More will come later.)
>>
>> I changed the access rights on the document so that anyone can add
>> comments and/or ideas:
>>   https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MahXh0TdfjI0ohdTSz_c8cML7HqxvcAtvSAY63N20Tc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Please only add constructive comments to keep the document readable:
>>   - try to argue with links or examples
>>   - avoid subjective arguments (no +1, ...)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Ben Olsen <ben.olsen@imsar.com> wrote:
>>> I must agree with Lek. Many of the new and redesigned features sound great,
>>> but losing account hierarchy would cause serious issues. In our company we
>>> must maintain a very complicated and detailed Chard of Accounts, because we
>>> face scrutiny from government auditors. We need the account hierarchy to
>>> keep everything organized, and trying to throw our 500+ accounts into one
>>> giant list would be a disaster. Additionally, we rely on the View types to
>>> sum up all totals from child accounts, giving us quick overviews of
>>> different sub-sections of the Chart of Accounts.
>>>
>>> I looked over xero.com and can see why Odoo would want to aim for that kind
>>> of user-friendly interface. However, in terms of functionality, Odoo needs
>>> to remain a full-featured ERP and allow for much more complicated settings,
>>> especially with Accounting.
>>>
>>> Perhaps v9 could offer a simplified accounting system for small businesses,
>>> but allow the more complicated features, like account hierarchies, to be
>>> enabled if desired?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ben Olsen
>>> IMSAR LLC
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Wipawii <wipawiij@ecosoft.co.th> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greeting from Thailand,
>>>>
>>>> Agree with Lionel. Budget is important for an organisation. It is to
>>>> control how your business should go. It is a plan of finance.
>>>>
>>>> +1 for Reconciliation, reduce complication of Tax setting, very good for
>>>> restart sequence for new FY, tax is workable on Expense, More flexible on
>>>> Reporting with pdf and excel are optional and last one menu items is NICE!
>>>>
>>>> However, removing account hierarchy  is incomprehensible. Account
>>>> hierarchy is sort of like basic of accounting in part of presentation for
>>>> management assertion, unless Odoo will have other friendly feature to
>>>> support CFO to create their own financial report template freely. Hopefully,
>>>> new account type and reporting in this roadmap will help.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Lek
>>>>
>>>> www.ecosoft.co.th
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Android
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2014 9:58 PM, "Lionel Sausin" <ls@numerigraphe.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I find the beginning of the document very worrying :
>>>>>
>>>>> "(...) Not a priority:
>>>>>
>>>>> Budget
>>>>>
>>>>> Analytic"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm worried because our company is into manufacturing, and our accounting
>>>>> is so simple that we didn't even bother making it in Odoo - EBP compta does
>>>>> the job for ~200€.
>>>>> BUT analytics and budgets are major features for us, the only ones we'll
>>>>> really use in Odoo's accounting.
>>>>> So please, by all means do improve whatever you want on accounting, but
>>>>> do NOT remove any more existing features.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lionel Sausin
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 09/10/2014 15:51, Graeme Gellatly a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>> cite="mid:CAFmBtG3XKF9qrNGhmRqVF1ZLW+PibYcZpRMNeMm5cvBy1SDMGg@mail.gmail.com" >>>>> type="cite"> >>>>> >>>>> Omg. You are taking your model from a 1-10 user accounting system with no >>>>> concept of stock, no concept of anglosaxon, not even a concept of a sales >>>>> order really and literally quoting their CEO verbatim while inserting >>>>> screenshots of their product. >>>>> >>>>> Dont get me wrong, i like xero, i use xero, i have written integrations >>>>> between xero and openerp, in fact i own shares in xero, but this is either >>>>> crazy or odoo is abandoning anybody subject to anything but a small business >>>>> reporting standard. >>>>> >>>>> I feel sorry for partners. I think you just got screwed but at least the >>>>> direction is clear early. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing-List: https://www.odoo.com/groups/community-59 >>>>> Post to: mailto:community@mail.odoo.com >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://www.odoo.com/groups?unsubscribe >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing-List: https://www.odoo.com/groups/community-59 >>>> Post to: mailto:community@mail.odoo.com >>>> Unsubscribe: https://www.odoo.com/groups?unsubscribe >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing-List: https://www.odoo.com/groups/community-59 >>> Post to: mailto:community@mail.odoo.com >>> Unsubscribe: https://www.odoo.com/groups?unsubscribe

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