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Re: Odoo 9 News

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Projetgrup, Levent Karakaş
- 11/13/2015 04:14:36
Andi,

Hundreds of mails are sent about licensing on this mailing list and everyone have learnt licensing almost like a lawyer. Odoo sa needs proprietary modules to fund itself and community needs to secure their future. Odoo sa has it's word many times that their intention is not to close the code of existing and/or core functions. In case they don't honor their word in the future, community action will be to branch from the latest floss version and then do what has to be done. 

If you want to contribute under pure AGPL conditions, you might want to try helping OCA efforts. There are tons of addons to translate in transifex. 

Regards.



2015-11-13 9:57 GMT+02:00 Andreas Becker <andi@lisandi.com>:
well there is a way back always!
Don't give up like this - If you are interested in the freedom for you and your customers you better not give up.

And nothing gets hijacked as the License LGPL is the reason that the license stuff comes up again and again and not only by me by the way!

The documentation is great! fine! are there people to translate it? yes there are but for sure they won't do much investment if it is not very clear what will happen how they get enumerated for what they are doing. It was years ago where the change was from GPL to AGPL and it was very similar. The argumentation was that it is for the best of the community and nobody beside some they even called at that time "trolls" already talked about that the further License changes will be already planned.

Until now you not even have the 100% ensurance from ODOO S.A. that this was the latest License Change for the next 10 years! at least.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.en.html.

a very good read !

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So what is your suggestion? +1??? - 10000??? When will you be start standing on your own to feet for your right to deliver your opinion!

No Woodoo with Odoo

The name of a talk by the way where I promoted ODOO. Now we could add another one "A Lot of Woodoo with Odoo" unfortunately! 




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On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 2:32 PM, James Fox <james@alfa-industrial.com> wrote:

+1


Andi please refrain from hijacking every thread with endless licensing discussions. This horse is already dead. We had these discussions months ago and now it is as it is, if we like or not. There is no way back. Best, trevi On 13.11.2015 07:27, Andreas Becker wrote: > Fabien nobody is freaking out at this point. You can't use MIT because > you still have to much left in AGPLv.3 and GPLv,3 otherwise you probably > would. On the other hand you could use all kind of MIT stuff in any GPL > surrounding and it would become GPL. But nevermind a CC is not a good > solution even not when you suggest it here. > > True - in general. You don't /have/ to open-source your changes if > you're using GPL. You could modify it and use it for your own > purpose as long as you're not distributing it. BUT... if you DO > distribute it, then your entire project that is using the GPL code > also becomes GPL automatically. Which means, it must be > open-sourced, and the recipient gets all the same rights as you - > meaning, they can turn around and distribute it, modify it, sell it, > etc. And that would include your proprietary code which would then > no longer be proprietary - it becomes open source. > > > The difference with MIT is that even if you actually distribute your > proprietary code that is using the MIT licensed code, you do not > have to make the code open source. You can distribute it as a closed > app where the code is encrypted or is a binary. Including the > MIT-licensed code can be encrypted, as long as it carries the MIT > license notice. > is the GPL is more restrictive than the MIT license? > Yes, very much so. > > > Many of the most common free software licenses, such as the original > MIT/X license, ... are "GPL-compatible". That is, their code can be > combined with a program under the GPL without conflict (/the new > combination would have the GPL applied to the whole/). > > > > > But think about your suggestion to make translations CC (i.e. no free > culture license again) I suggest. Take this here as an example: > Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International > > It is a CC license but nobody could use i.e. the German Translation in > his German commercial product and he could not make a derivate of it. > And you would not even need to share it. I guess AGPL would be the much > better way to force people to share it, if the contribute on their sites > with a translation. > > Example: You see that a certain part has been translated to a language > you are i need for your next project but it is not available on the ODOO > transiflex. On the other hand this service provider has actually > extended the translation which you have done before under AGPLv.3. In > that case you could ask that service provider for the code repository > and could use it also in your own code. Both would benefit and could > share there efforts. > > With GPLv.3 this is not necessary to even release it to public and with > LGPL you would open up the worst case that your stuff would probably be > used in proprietary software you can't access at all and where than i.e > some more terms have been translated which you would like to get too. > > So I suggest to make the Translations AGPL or leave them in Public > Domain as you already mentioned and if you are OK that the translations > which get contributed are AGPLv.3 or even GPLv.3 we would be OK. > > GPLv.3 would be able to share with AGPLv.3 but would not need to get > shared with other services at any time more or less. So it would cut out > those who provide services to others. > > IMHO the best solution would be AGPLv.3 to make sure that it does not > appear in any proprietary project and that people would contribute to > each other too. > > > > Andi > > > With kind regards, > Mit freundlichen Grüßen, > Con un cordial saludo, > Cordialement, > с сердечным приветом, > เรื่องที่เกี่ยวกับชนิด, > 與親切的問候, > >
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