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Re: Indiegogo: Upgrade Odoo Community Edition!

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Mr James Alfa
- 11/06/2015 15:30:15

On 6 Nov 2015, at 20:03, 8cells.com wrote:

>>  Every green components will be released in open source (AGPL).
 
> It is my understanding that with AGPL license it is permitted to redistribute the theme or module. It is also permitted to modify and redistribute the module, and to even charge for it, as long as the original copyright and license stated is preserved, and that specificallly for AGPL licenses anyone who even visits a website running in odoo is a 'user' and can therefore ask to have the full code of the theme or module in use.

Yes, you are right!
If our fundraising will succeed, we want to release in AGPL some of developed features (like new material backend theme). We would like to make it become a part of Odoo Community Edition!

> Specifically LGPL removes the last obligation on the store owner to their website visitors, but even if you changed the module license to LGPL it would still be possible for anyone to redistribute and to charge others for the redistributed module. 

All not green components will be sold in Odoo Apps Store.

For example:
- If we fail to raise the money, the new design will be available only in Odoo Apps Store.
- If we succeed to raise the money, the new design will be available in AGPL, but not all (only green components), so we will sell (cheaper) module, which provides a customization and mobile full responsive.

All modules will be distributed using the Odoo Apps Store.

We are not experts in law, but for example:
Can you buy the module "Odoo VoIP" for 400 euros and then sell it for 10 euro?

Correct it IS permitted to do that. Admittedly the original developers of the module would not be so happy, but they cannot stop you. If they really did want to stop you then they should have stuck to non open source software platforms or gone and worked for microsoft instead. If they got involved with the Odoo platform without understanding the implications of open source software licensing then that can only be their own fault. It is a sad fact that too many programmers may not understand the licensing implications fully and may then get upset when the realities are made clear. 

If this is true and the license allows for it - it's okay, you still need a new distribution channel.

Of course there is nothing wrong with the Odoo ecosystem having many distribution channels. We're not talking about Apple here !  Odoo is an open source platform, which I believe means that all and every odoo module written must be either LGPL or AGPL licensed as they all have to use the AGPL licensed kernel to work and that was developed by all those fine previous programmers that have written it and released it to the world on the basis that the system keeps its open source capability via copyleft provisions. The introduction of LGPL does not suddenly transfer microsoft style licensing rights to module developers  - i.e. you may only use this on one machine, you may not see the source code and you certainly cannot modify it, and you cannot distribute bla bla bla...  

Please someone correct me if any of what I have said is wrong.


We invite you to participate in the fundraiser (now new, lower prices!)

I'm afraid the history of Indiegogo Odoo project is somewhat variable. Whilst the POS campaign worked well the themes campaign worked incredibly as far as interest was concerned but has singularly failed to deliver what was promised in a timely fashion. Alas all current Indiegogo campaigns are seeming to be somewhat negatively impacted by the second experience. Nevertheless I wish you the best of luck with it, but you should keep your options open and not be too disheartened if Indiegogo doesn't deliver for you.

All the best and best of luck one more time,

James


2015-11-06 18:02 GMT+01:00 James Fox <james@alfa-industrial.com>:

Dear 8cells,


your recent published indiegogo campaign looks interesting but I am confused by one thing in your description:

What license will these developments fall under?

Every green components will be released in open source (AGPL).

Every full module will have Odoo Apps Store license:
Once you purchase a license for a module, you can use it on as many sites as you like, but you're not allowed to distribute it! 

It is my understanding that with AGPL license it is permitted to redistribute the theme or module. It is also permitted to modify and redistribute the module, and to even charge for it, as long as the original copyright and license stated is preserved, and that specificallly for AGPL licenses anyone who even visits a website running in odoo is a 'user' and can therefore ask to have the full code of the theme or module in use.

Specifically LGPL removes the last obligation on the store owner to their website visitors, but even if you changed the module license to LGPL it would still be possible for anyone to redistribute and to charge others for the redistributed module. 

You may say that this is unfair because you did all the original work - this maybe so, but also maybe it took a lot of fixing to get the code to work properly, or with new standards. Regardless of the arguments about what is fair and what is not this is an open source license and you need to permit what the licenses say is permitted.

Let me/us all know if there is any fault in the reasoning outlined here.

regards

James Fox

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Recently there have been several fundraising for Odoo.

We would recommend one, which is worth paying attention to:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/upgrade-odoo-community-edition#/

Help us to upgrade Odoo Community Edition to the beautiful and functional management software!

Please share by facebook, twitter, google+!

Best regards,
8cells Team

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