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Re: Odoo v9 Community and Enterprise editions

by
dar
- 06/02/2015 11:41:44
Raphael, as I see you arguing fiercly, I get the impression I did not understand some subtelties of the AGPL to LGPL change pronounced here: https://www.odoo.com/blog/odoo-news-5/post/adapting-our-open-source-license-245
Basically Odoo is making the free choice to change licensing on its IP (after the cleanup) in order to strengthen other kind of revenue models in the ecosystem. You mentioned the localization effort in Brasil, which would be protected then (as you choose to do so).
This enables a whole lot of untapped energy in the ecosystem for cases where potential participants do not engage due to license tradeoffs in an environment where they draw different conclusions on porters five forces analysis as AGPL would permit.
So in the end LGPL is less tyrannic and more free than AGPL, as it gives me the freedom to decide to not have to share my ip. (Think of applications in an industries, where a closed vertical module is part of a competitive advantage where thousands of jobs depend on?)
Of course odoo want's to gain complete source IP ownership in order to be free to set license on the core, but i TRUST that they understand that in order to really not proliferate a fork, they must closely watch market dynamics all around the world. I highly appreciate your mentions of different market dynamics in the developing world. But from an odoo stanpoint its a matter of competitive dynamics not to give away influence in those markets by precluding the license for such kind of business models as you imply. Alternatives are always around, as be included a fork of the latest acceptable license.

That beeing said, I would dare to interprete the linked article as an individual authorization after section 5 c) (last sentence) of the AGPL for the part of the code (98%) that is also under complete Odoo IP. In this order of thoughts, you would be able to make use of an LGPL like construct on the 98% of codebase, if you where able to backport the filtering of the 2%. Is that correct interpretation?

OCA should also adopt a more free and less tyrannic LGPL  license. The decisions to open source should not depend on the tyrannic assurance that anybody's future work (which is his own spent time) would have to do the same. In the end, and I think it has been discussed in this thread allutionally, this produces complexity, which at the moment and imho is a serious limitant to community engagement.

Awaiting your comments on where I might be wrong, Raphael.

Best, I hope I did not annoy you with my 2 cents.

El mar., 2 jun. 2015 a las 5:05, Nuria Arranz Velazquez (<nuria@opusvl.com>) escribió:
Rohan, being patronising and calling people "children" will only add logs to the fire. It's hardly helpful.

On 29/05/15 10:54, Rohan E wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:COL128-W463B97454E675BF3B01632ECC90@phx.gbl" type="cite">
Children, the real solution would be to write up an Odoo license similar to LGPL and an OCA license similar to AGPL but without all the ambiguity and conflicts of interest. Would be cheaper than the loss of productivity caused by this endless debate and annual pre-Odoo gathering drama. 

Subject: Re: Odoo v9 Community and Enterprise editions
From: nuria@opusvl.com
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:57:19 +0000
To: community@mail.odoo.com

Hi Fakrudeen,

While it is an issue, I don't see why shouldn't be reminded. And I don't feel that the community expressing their concerns is spreading the wrong message.

That we don't agree with all of them doesn't give us the right to write them off from the rest of the community.

In reality, much has been said. Some of it in anger, some of it in an attempt of reassurance, some of it in ignorance, but plenty of it in logical thinking. I don't presume to know better as to filter what needs to be kept and what to trash.

Of all the things I'm reading, I don't thing there is a wrong message being spread. The message is the right one: Odoo has changed, and people is very concerned.

Regards,
Nuria

On 20/05/15 13:38, Fakrudeen Abbaz wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:3D63BF04-79C0-49B2-95CF-70728E9A4451@gmail.com" type="cite">
Hi Nuria,

I have created this ether pad to summarise the discussions and agree its not full.
its expected all will enter the their current views based on the understanding from different mails.
And i am not against sending mails, but its spreading wrong message to all, moreover its a reminder of the issue too.



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On May 20, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Nuria Arranz Velazquez <nuria@opusvl.com> wrote:


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