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Re: Odoo v9 Paid Apps

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Anders Wallenquist
- 05/20/2015 09:00:25
> At the moment, I must be a developer with a comprehensive development environment in order to be able to test and >qualify modules sufficiently to deploy them to a production environment. I do not get any help from the app store. If I
> am just a regular Odoo business user, I can't. Let's compare it with Apple store, for example. Apple charges the same > 30% as Odoo app store does, but because of Apple's certification process I can be sure that a downloaded app does
> not break my iPhone and works. Of course Odoo is a bit more complicated, but some help to improve quality can
> surely not hurt. Not to forget: what happens if it is a paid app? Do I get my money back? What about possible
> damages? If this should become a viable ecosystem, these are the problems to be solved, despite of the general
> license policy discussions, which add basic question marks to the equation.

A certifiaction system cannot tell if a module are good for your business or not. With a slightly better distribution system you can be guaranteed that your system is not broken in a technical way.

Paid apps or non paid apps does not guarantees end user satisfaction. If an end user are not satisfied with a non paid app he can ditch it and forget. I don't think he can get any money back if hes not satisfied with a paid app - the developer has not got paid yet from Odoo and Odoo are just an intermediator for the transaction. None of the parties can know if the module are uninstalled or not.

> And at the actual situation about the Odoo license mess, it is of utter importance to have proper license information >before payment of an app.

Yes that are one thing, another are licence compatibility. Proprietary licences are not compatible with GPL-licences, thats why Odoo SA wants all contributors to relicence thousands of modules to a licence less secure for the module.

My personal view are it would be better with an eco-system with one or a few compatible free software licence, maybe GPL or AGPL for both licence funded modules and modules with other types of funding. It will never happen that contributors want to change to a less secure licence without any incitements, so if Odoo SA wants their paid modules to be legally usable with community modules they have to change foot. If they don't their "enterprise"-modules are of no use for most the current installations (who does not install a community module?).

With a divided eco system, with a licence hell, it will be very important to search for licence compatible modules. A question or search: "I have these modules, what modules are compatible with those and have the new functionality that I need?" A very complicated search and a need of modules with the same functionality for each eco system.

Without licence hell, end users does not need to know the specifics of what licence each module are distributed with. They know all modules are compatible and that's what you need for every day usage.

If you are a contributor and want's to invest real money in Odoo-modules the licence are important. What guarantees are there that  the investment won't vanish in the next version of Odoo? Swedish government have invested in modules in the ERP-system Agresso and have to pay licence fees for their fully funded modules in newer versions and new installations. It have created a lot of debate, bad will for both ESV and Agresso and are considered illegal by politians and
legislators. Without a licence hell and with real free software licences it's possible for Odoo SA not to end up in the same bad position as Agresso. In the local Swedish debate is alleged to be illegal to invest tax euros in license-funded software in this way elsewhere in the EU - I do not know but it is not unlikely that there are similar debate in other EU-countries? Odoo SAs announced  plans to move to "enterprise"-version have at lease made one of our governmental customers  to pasue with their continued investment in Odoo this year. It is disappointing, we believe otherwise, that Odoo could become a strong alternative to Agresso for many organizations.

Regards,

Anders Wallenquist



Den 2015-05-20 13:54, Ermin Trevisan skrev:
<blockquote cite="mid:555C5416.8010709@twanda.com" type="cite">

At the moment, I must be a developer with a comprehensive development environment in order to be able to test and qualify modules sufficiently to deploy them to a production environment. I do not get any help from the app store. If I am just a regular Odoo business user, I can't. Let's compare it with Apple store, for example. Apple charges the same 30% as Odoo app store does, but because of Apple's certification process I can be sure that a downloaded app does not break my iPhone and works. Of course Odoo is a bit more complicated, but some help to improve quality can surely not hurt. Not to forget: what happens if it is a paid app? Do I get my money back? What about possible damages? If this should become a viable ecosystem, these are the problems to be solved, despite of the general license policy discussions, which add basic question marks to the equation.

And at the actual situation about the Odoo license mess, it is of utter importance to have proper license information before payment of an app.

On 20.05.2015 10:35, Nhomar Hernández wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:CAKQwv6vxiXkjvmrmbXw8rYRPsrxy1xbTuVuQMbjWTOTUB7PbJw@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">

2015-05-20 3:17 GMT-05:00 Ermin Trevisan <trevi@twanda.com>:
The only thing I can see in the odoo app store are prices, there is no license information at all. Even if I would consider to buy a module, I do not know anything about my license rights before having paid. This is a No-Go anyway.

Yes.

But you can decide only filter by "Free" which frequently have access to repository itself.




And if you have a serious deployment you should have an strong CI enviroment, brake production "because a module" is not because the module is bad, is because you didn't follow good practices ;-)

My 2 cents.


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