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Re: New Pricing Structure.

by
dar
- 01/05/2015 14:22:39
Fabian

I agree completely with your argumentation, let's push it a bit further. :)

That's why we think it's important to have two roles in the Odoo ecosystem:
- partners to deliver the one-to-one services: custom development,
​ ​
business analysis, project management, implementation, ...
- Odoo SA to deliver the one-to-many services which is mainly the maintenance: bug fixes, upgrades, hosting.


​It's a nice and natural role-distribution. A point here is, how to handle custom (even multiple) codebase per partner?​

Could be injected (ie appstore), however this might tie partners to the bugfix-release "cycle" (which is obivous continous) of Odoo. Probably that's not an option for everyones ressources.

Or Odoo is goin into the hosting business, so here is the question: how to link to the continously updated base image and the inherent value added you describe.

As to the price differenciation, actually my main point was, that it would make sense from a perspective of cashing in better on a broader range of the price elasticity curve, when you can do regional (probably in addition to funcional) clustering. 160 USD might be exactly your segment, but (in USD) unreachable for some regions foreign exchange rate / productivity situations. I think the hughest untapped market might be in such regions, rather than Europe and the US, not sure though.

So two takeaways:
  • price elasticity over customer segments and, more important right now,  world regions
  • shared (merged) maintainance model for custom partner's codebase
Additional comments to the latter: maybe kindof an upstream "odoo-continously-bugfixed" where partners can cherry pick, but they would need a testing, staging (!) and deploying workflow for this to be feasible. Odoo could craft the perfect hosting environment for this and integrate with standard tooling with an example workflow - with Dev-Prod-Parity in mind. This would be a value added to the whole ecosystem (Ecosystem-Workflow-Parity) and strengthen the one2many business role. Just make it deadsimple and reliable for us lazy humans, and the "soft-powered-lockin" will be yours ;-)

This workflow probably should not be odoo tooling based (odoo cli, runbot, etc.) based in your own interest (maintenance) and in order to defeat supermans ;) - And putting the best logos aside the own one, could be good marketing as well ;)

I wanted to make a comment about own preferences here, but you might have read about in an adjacent thread ;-D

Saludos Cordiales
David Arnold

David Arnold BA HSG / Analista
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2015-01-04 1:42 GMT-05:00 Erastus <erastus@connect-at.net>:

Hi Guys,

Latency even from South Africa could be very high
Also when you thnk that our average salary is 800USD per month and small businesses average turn over is +/- 20 000€ per annum.

Odoo is making life a lot easier for small businesses in SA.

Once I understand odoo we will contribute in developement and other areas.  I have canned our product which is rning and designed to rather "join" odoo. Once we nderstand this we will try and expand it in to other products as well.  I already posted some question with little response.

WHen I look at odoo as  a new user there are two ways looking at oddo 1 a user 2 developer.

We will for instance have other software we are using interfaced to odoo to make life easier and then the local server ( we host in Cape Town) has very low latency and is the best connection ( due to distance) in SA.


Thbis is my 2 cents.

I believe a good product ( I see people are complaing re bugs) but the current structures etc for us are very nice and good.

We will definitly be very active in the future.

Regards
Erastus

On 2015-01-03 01:17 AM, David Arnold wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:CAOLEt-H6rTbeEn30qqo4VcGTXmmq3go1iUmrGKRD7Ot5Gk6QZQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">
Fabien, Gustavo has made a good question "How far is that from the price level the customer expect?"
I just think, strategically it might be recommended to think about price differenciation across the globe. The Organisation should raise it's GIS awareness at some appropriate future point in time.

​ Stephen, another down point, is the performance of the Odoo stack in some world regions, datacenters might be far away and latency high. I think for South America that's precisely the case​ as backbones to the US are somwhat congested at some business hours. Or do I miss something? - Guess how traffic goes: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=backbones+between+south+america+and+US - second link
As to "So basically I am considering is paying 1000€ worth the hours I would need to run and maintain my own small server..." since the advent of docker and it's impressive ecosystem, you can almost zero out server administration out of your equation, so you would be left with application maintainance. I agree, that this is still considerable extra burdon.
But if you see your role in a little more than just being reseller, like integration services, consultanci, etc - you would have to mess arround there anyways ;) my2cents.

Saludos Cordiales
David Arnold

David Arnold BA HSG / Analista
315 304 13 68/ dar@devco.co

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2015-01-02 14:43 GMT-05:00 Fabien Pinckaers <fp@openerp.com>:
> The question I have,
>
> what business could be successful in using the out of box functionality? I
> am not aware of any.

>From our experience, it mostly depends on the size of the project or
company. Out-of-the-box is great for companies having less than 20
users: the implementation is faster, the budget is much lower and they
can evolve easily. Note that out-of-the-box does not mean "without
customizations". As every company is different, we customize most Odoo
Online instances. On SaaS projects, we offer an unlimited
customization service at $80/month: unlimited changes on screens,
reports, workflow, automated actions, access rights, etc. (everything
an expert can do without going into specific developments)

Above 20 users, companies have the budget to afford paying an
implementation project with custom developments. It's much more
expensive as they have to consulting days for requirement analysis,
trainings, custom developments, support, upgrades, etc. But they get a
fully customized solution that perfectly fit their own needs. They can
change the software to fit the way they word today, instead of
adapting themselves to the standard.


Thanks,

Fabien

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